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STAR 2018 / Re: STAR Attendance - 2012 - 2018
« Last post by hhemstreet on Today at 06:13:38 PM »

Dan Igoe suggested that I include STAR attendance compared to membership numbers, so that has been added to the chart. Note 2018 uses 2017 numbers since 2018 is not over yet.

We should just do East and West STAR's and not go back to Vermont  ;D

STAR 2018 / Re: STAR 2018 Full survey results
« Last post by stevegrab on Today at 04:33:19 PM »
Yes, my point was about the ability to swap for a different bike, I've heard that before as well, but not as part of any official communication to ALL members. Should be part of the raffle bike announcement, not something we here in discussion when somebody says "well I wasn't interested in that bike".
STAR 2018 / Re: STAR 2018 Full survey results
« Last post by RichGrab on Today at 03:06:32 PM »
I think the bigger issue is that not all members are aware that you might be able to get a different bike than what is being raffled off. Nowhere (as far as I recall) has that ever been publicized in the STAR literature or bike raffle literature. I too really think that needs to be in the raffle bike paperwork sent to members to encourage ticket purchases. Some people will just not want to buy tickets to win something they don't necessarily want. BUT, if they see they have an option to truly get a discount on something they may really want, then some may be encouraged to buy more tickets. Just my thoughts on it.
STAR 2018 / Re: STAR 2018 Full survey results
« Last post by Patmo on Today at 02:34:42 PM »
Steve....stop, please. There is no sense in going down this road and this becoming a he said..they said situation.

I’m sorry (even though I wasn’t involved in any way) that Rich had a problem with the dealer in Vermont.  That’s certainly not been the norm to the best of my knowledge.  Can we leave it at that?
STAR 2018 / Re: STAR Attendance - 2012 - 2018
« Last post by Brick on Today at 11:32:31 AM »
I understand ALL of those reasons and more.   I guess I was also referring to those who had not attended ANY HSTA/MSTA event. Not just STAR.

Just another note... and remember this is how I feel and I do not think others need to feel or do this. It’s just my .02 worth.
After the first couple of years as a member I decided I wanted to “support” the club that I loved. So at renewal time I decided to re-join as a Sustaining member. One year at a time. Yes I got/get a few benefits from sustaining member BUT I feel it’s MOST financially beneficial to the club. Just a small way to donate to the club.


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STAR 2018 / Re: STAR 2018 Full survey results
« Last post by stevegrab on Today at 11:28:32 AM »
Among my crowd the raffle bike is a big deal. I think that tickets sales depend a lot on the excitement level of the raffle bike.
I.e. new/or updated and popular in sales and media. Like the Africa Twin. The Versys not so much. Would like to know the ticket numbers for these two models.

We sold 12,000 dollars worth of tickets for the Honda, but it had a cost of just over 11,000 dollars.  The Verseys cost about 7500 and ticket sales were just a little short of that...haven’t seen final numbers on it yet.

The one thing that everyone needs to know and understand is that they are not “stuck” with taking that bike.  The dealers that we have worked with in the past have always said that they would be willing to work something out if the winner wanted something different.

I’ll also point out that in the survey for Colorado Springs we got several comments about the raffle bike.....most were that we needed something that was smaller, less expensive, and more of a Sport Touring bike than the Africa Twin.  The Verseys LT was all of those things.  Yet we sold a lot less tickets....go figure.
Pat if the bolded is really true, that should be published with the raffle details. I don't think it always applies but I have heard that from several other members, usually people on the EC or those involved with the raffle. I can tell you that is certainly not well known among the average members.

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STAR 2018 / Re: STAR Attendance - 2012 - 2018
« Last post by africord on Today at 11:05:16 AM »
@Brick.  For some of us, life just happens.  I attended the 2013 BS Rally and the 2015 STAR Rally.  Since then, I've had a career upset that has limited my vacation time and my ability to allocate time to events.
STAR 2018 / Re: STAR Attendance - 2012 - 2018
« Last post by Ride4MS on Today at 10:45:12 AM »
Well, I fit that long time member category, and not attending events.  Joined HSTA/MSTA in 2002 and attended our first event, STAR 2015 in Ark, then was busy again busy in 2016, but made time for 2017 in Col. Springs.  And this year, even after all the hard work, wondered why we had not made time for the other years.

All those years made for an expensive STAReview, but we enjoyed it.  Until last year, I think that was the first year that I joined for more than one year at a time, and Denise as MOH each year also.  Think how much we would have saved it we had joined as LifeTime member years ago.  But, HEY, the money went for a good club.

STAR 2018 / Re: STAR 2018 Full survey results
« Last post by Patmo on Today at 09:18:13 AM »

Bill....good points there

The Bike Raffle will be one of the key discussions in the next EC call.

One thing that needs to change is how people view it......

Seems to me that it has morphed into a STAR raffle and not an MSTA raffle.  We need to turn that around and will be discussing just HOW to do that.

STAR 2018 / Re: STAR Attendance - 2012 - 2018
« Last post by RichGrab on Yesterday at 06:58:43 PM »
I remember from years ago that there were obviously many members who never attended any event but maintained a membership. I still don’t understand that.

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I was a member from 2007 to 2011 and didn't even own a bike where I resided at that time. I became a member going to  MPFB in 2007 with my brother Steve and had such a great time, I figured this group was for me. I continued my membership for the benefits of the forum, the magazine, an occasional hotel discount and just knowing I could attend an event if time and the availability of a spare bike came along. Since getting my VFR in 2011 and then the BMW Raffle bike in 2016, I've attended as many events as I can (usually no  more than 2-3 a year), but wish it had been many more. I'll keep my membership active and continue to support the club and attend as many events as I can - and some day when I join that great club "retired", I'll go to even more. :)
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