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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Richardrka on Today at 02:15:06 PM »
Here are some photos of different RKA tankbags on different brands and models

 

         

   

   

 
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Richardrka on Today at 02:03:22 PM »
Norm does not seem to understand the difference between a private message and a post on the forum.

That was not necessary to do.
I would just like to change the subject that we do not agree on.

Lets move on PLEASE!

Richard
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by normkern on Today at 01:38:10 PM »
I have removed my other posts from this thread. 

I hope that each and every person who purchases a Sena 30K has excellent results with it!

Norm Kern
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Richardrka on Today at 01:33:06 PM »
RKA has been manufacturing Luggage for 33 years check out this video.
Our kitties are the NEW stars of our lead in AND I must say one of my better productions  8)
33 years of excellence

We are shipping a LOT of boxes but not has many as I could load in the rig.
If any of you have a product you are interested in let me know and we'll be sure and bring it.
For example ..... Two of our newer products are the BMW 1600 Bagger liners. A seven piece set!



AND our 49ner rackbag (it's 49 liters & it's also named after Hwy 49 our California mother lode hwy)




Also I will be riding with my new SENA Momentum INC, Intelligent Noise Canceling helmet
We have been using Schuberths for many years now and I am changing!!!
This is a great stand alone helmet and add in all the features and and and ......

Over view SENA Momentum INC Helmet

Check out the WHOLE website, and the Newsletter page and YouTube page,

Richard
RKA
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by R1200GS on Today at 01:27:06 PM »

I was one of the riders in Don Moe’s group of 8 riders and the mesh worked just fine and MUCH easier to pair unlike the 20S units in large groups. That said, we did have issues when Bluetooth pairing with a rider using a 20S. It would drop from the group about every 20 minutes and that old familiar “popcorn” sound was ever present. When the 20S unit was not in the group the mesh technology worked pretty much as advertised.
A few weeks later 4 of us all using the 30 units used private mode.....a definite improvement over public mode, primarily being sound quality and improved distance. We tested the range and line of sight and were able to communicate (best guess) at least one mile without line of sight
A couple questions that I have on the 30K that I have yet to get an answer on.  Probably because from what I read the 30K operates in both Mesh and BT and most users really don't understand what all is in play in various situations.
1. On a 20s the pop corn only comes into play when 3 or more users are paired in a daisy chain.
2. In Mesh on a 30K, it is NOT working like a BT or at least I don't believe it is, so it should not generate the pop corn sound.
3. When a 30K user says they hear pop corn, what is being configured?
     a. Does it happen at all when all users are connected as 30K units?  (I'm pretty sure the answer is no)
     b. When you operate the 30K as BT, do you daisy chain pair the other 30K units and do you get pop corn with 30K units in BT?
     c. When you say a 20s is added to the mesh, you get pop corn, correct? (Probably not say this right, just trying to understand a mixed mode)
         
(1) Is the 30K operating as BT, Mesh or both when this happens?
        (2) Does that 20s automatically add itself to the mesh or do you have to configure something in BT to add it?
         (3) Do you have to go to BT and daisy chain to mix BT and mesh?


I'm a 20s user and Sena has not fixed the pop corn issue with them even they have known about the problem for years.  I'm trying to figure out if they actually fixed it in the 30K.  I'm also convinced that a key issue to find out what is causing the problem is to see how the 30K handles the problem in the BT mode.
Thanks


         
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Richardrka on Today at 01:18:12 PM »
Agreed .... Both of you.
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by R1200GS on Today at 01:02:21 PM »
Richard, I've been working communications since about 1980. CB, Amateur Radio (advanced class), and lots of military.  Had an FCC Commercial Radiotelephone License (don't have them anymore but were required to run TV and radio stations back in the day).  At NSA I wrote the NSA position on foreign military sales and for tracking down interference issues on everything from satellites to Air Force One.  What I do know is that Norm and Jeff know how to test technical gear and the majority of folks on the web are over their heads on an issue like this.  That's why I agree with you that we need to stop the discussion FOR NOW.  Both pro and against the 30K.   It is my opinion, and a boat load of others on the web,  that the 30K has issues right now, but needs to fixed.  I just feel like the end user is an unknowing beta tester. 
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by RIDEMYST on Today at 12:46:05 PM »
I was one of the riders in Don Moe’s group of 8 riders and the mesh worked just fine and MUCH easier to pair unlike the 20S units in large groups. That said, we did have issues when Bluetooth pairing with a rider using a 20S. It would drop from the group about every 20 minutes and that old familiar “popcorn” sound was ever present. When the 20S unit was not in the group the mesh technology worked pretty much as advertised.
A few weeks later 4 of us all using the 30 units used private mode.....a definite improvement over public mode, primarily being sound quality and improved distance. We tested the range and line of sight and were able to communicate (best guess) at least one mile without line of sight.
I think a lot of what I’m reading here is two-fold. One Sena still has bugs with the 30K. Secondly (at least in my case) the buttons serve multiple functions which leads to user error.....I simply needed to read the manual closer!

I recall in my working days I would have a line of CADD techs coming into my office telling how terrible the new software was that we just installed. However after a few weeks the grumbling would stop and a few weeks more it was the “best update ever!”
So be patient 30K users all things shall pass. ;) -JEP-


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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Richardrka on Today at 12:21:41 PM »
Hi Norm,

Very good ..... Now please let it go!
I am the outsider here and disagree with most of what you say in one way or another.
After almost 30 years in the communications business I seem to find it very hard for me to have credibility when you are THE GUY.
The one thing you wrote that HAS to be commented on is
Mesh intercom is incompatible with A2DP devices according to Richard,

This is  NOT what I said

 I tested TWO 30K's in mesh mode, using a SM10 with mp3 plugged in, NAV VI GPS, iPhone X, using A2DP, Audio Multitasking, intercom
EVERYTHING worked fine, WHEN IN MESH MODE.

I will say this one more time
The 30K is not for everybody
The 30K does have issues at this time.

RKA offers the complete line of SENA including the 20S EVO.
If that's what you decide we got 20S EVO's and we will have them at STAR.

PLEASE LET THIS GO NOW.  :-X
 
We offer a LOT of OTHER products and we are shipping a LOT of very BIG boxes to La Crosse.
I have my route, rooms, gas stops, restaurants loaded into my Nav VI I am READY to have some fun.
But at this point it does not seem fruitful for RKA to even come to STAR.

Richard

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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by normkern on Today at 11:31:08 AM »
At one point relatively early on this thread, Richard wrote:

3: The 30K gives you NO ADVANTAGE at all unless you have 3 or more riders it IS for groups of 3 to 16. The MESH NETWORK kicks in when the third, forth, and fifth etc. rider joins, Then the MESH nodes come into play.

Norm, have you ever used it with more than one other person (total of 3 or more)? If so, did it behave any better?


That line sort of sounds to me like "mesh is not intended for use by only 2 participants."



Maybe THAT's the problem. Jeff and I have not ridden with anyone else who has a 30K. OTOH, Don Moe has- he ridden in a group with about 8. He saud that it connected everyone but the intelligibility problems I reported are there regardless. Most of the time Jeff and I are about 500 ft apart, and mostly in sight of each other. A couple of times mesh private mode worked pretty well, comparable to 2 people in BT mode on the 20S. Maybe I'm stupid, but I expect provate mesh mode to sound as good and have comparable rabge as BT, and it has done so on the 3 or 4 occasions when it worked.  Here's a link to the 30K on Amazon. 50% give it 5 stars, the other 50% give it 1 star.

https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Bluetooth-Communication-System-30K-01D/dp/B0773RH38Q/ref=sr_1_16?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1524497194&sr=1-16&keywords=sena+30k

The 30K does not currently work for me and I'm better than average at getting things to work.

Norm
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