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Main Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Brick on March 24, 2014, 04:01:32 PM
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Oh this thing looks cool!
http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Yamaha-MT-09-Tenere-Worldcrosser-Oberdan-Bezzi.jpg
Of course they won't bring it to the USA... it's way too cool!
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It does look super cool! Sometimes when you look at Yamaha's marketing strategy in the U.S. it leaves you scratching your head :o
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I think think this bike would sell like hotcakes here, and I am chomping at the bit to find out more about it. If the tires are any indication, it's intended as a serious dual sport machine. Thanks Brick, Syd ;D
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I'm not so sure a 700+ pound bike could be considered a serious dual sporter. Imagine the stuff that is going to break when you drop it. And when you do drop it, how you gonna pick it up?
But it does look cool. Be prepared to change a lot of tires.
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I think think this bike would sell like hotcakes here, and I am chomping at the bit to find out more about it. If the tires are any indication, it's intended as a serious dual sport machine. Thanks Brick, Syd ;D
Serious dual sport machine NOT
Too big and heavy
Would make a good gravel road bike but nor serious off road stuff.
Doug
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I'm thinking this bike is an offshoot of the new FZ09, and that it would be very light. Someone please correct me if that's not the case? Syd :-\
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I'm still loving the idea of adding an FZ-09 to the stable. Crossing TN116 yesterday, I paused at the general store at New River. There was a fellow there riding an orange FZ-09 as well. He'd had it for all of three days (crowing about having ridden it almost 200 miles in those 3 days...didn't have the heart to tell him I do that before even thinking about breakfast), but was already liking it a LOT.
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I'm thinking this bike is an offshoot of the new FZ09, and that it would be very light. Someone please correct me if that's not the case? Syd :-\
Syd
The FZ09 weighs in at 416 lbs
The Super Ténéré Worldcrosser (http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx?view=featurestechspecs) (not the concept model) weighs in at 575 lbs
Neither of them would make a serious dual sport bike.
A serious dual sport bike should weigh in under 300 lbs.
A lot of people confuse a dual sport bike with an adventure bike
Adventure bikes are great for forest roads and gravel roads but not serious off road riding.
Doug
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I'm thinking this bike is an offshoot of the new FZ09, and that it would be very light. Someone please correct me if that's not the case? Syd :-\
Syd
The FZ09 weighs in at 416 lbs
The Super Ténéré Worldcrosser (http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx?view=featurestechspecs) (not the concept model) weighs in at 575 lbs
Neither of them would make a serious dual sport bike.
A serious dual sport bike should weigh in under 300 lbs.
A lot of people confuse a dual sport bike with an adventure bike
Adventure bikes are great for forest roads and gravel roads but not serious off road riding.
Doug
And neither of us are saying that we wouldn't ride the piss out of one. The world-crosser looks to be the perfect bike for STAR 2014, lots of unpaved roads to explore out there.
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Wait... wait... Doug you are talking about my bike the Super Tenere is the 1200cc bike and is as heavy as you say. I haven't seen anywhere how much the MT-09 Tenere's weighs? The FZ-09 it's based on is four hundred some lbs. I'm sure the MT-09 Tenere is heavier but don't know.
That said you are correct and I did not propose this bike for the kind of riding you want to do... it is only a step down from my 1200cc ton and a half Super Tenere'. I have had a ball on the gravel roads around Morganton on my Super Tenere' this 900cc version would be just that much more fun.
I must say that the big Super Tenere has been a joy on the road. This years ride to Baja, Mexico, 7,923 miles 23 days was super fun and quite comfortable!
I'm thinking this bike is an offshoot of the new FZ09, and that it would be very light. Someone please correct me if that's not the case? Syd :-\
Syd
The FZ09 weighs in at 416 lbs
The Super Ténéré Worldcrosser (http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx?view=featurestechspecs) (not the concept model) weighs in at 575 lbs
Neither of them would make a serious dual sport bike.
A serious dual sport bike should weigh in under 300 lbs.
A lot of people confuse a dual sport bike with an adventure bike
Adventure bikes are great for forest roads and gravel roads but not serious off road riding.
Doug
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Wait... wait... Doug you are talking about my bike the Super Tenere is the 1200cc bike and is as heavy as you say. I haven't seen anywhere how much the MT-09 Tenere's weighs? The FZ-09 it's based on is four hundred some lbs. I'm sure the MT-09 Tenere is heavier but don't know.
That said you are correct and I did not propose this bike for the kind of riding you want to do... it is only a step down from my 1200cc ton and a half Super Tenere'. I have had a ball on the gravel roads around Morganton on my Super Tenere' this 900cc version would be just that much more fun.
I must say that the big Super Tenere has been a joy on the road. This years ride to Baja, Mexico, 7,923 miles 23 days was super fun and quite comfortable!
Dave
You didn't click the link in my previous post for the Super Ténéré Worldcrosser (http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx?view=featurestechspecs)
Try this
http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx?view=featurestechspecs (http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx?view=featurestechspecs)
or this
http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx (http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere-world-crosser.aspx)
It is the actual Yamaha Worldcrosser and indeed weighs 575 lbs.
It looks like a revised version of you Tenere.
The link you posted for the Worldcrosser (with knobby tires) is not an actual bike.
It's a concept bike that someone made up and is dreaming about.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/yamaha-mt09-worldcrosser-concept-oberdan-bezzi/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/yamaha-mt09-worldcrosser-concept-oberdan-bezzi/)
And we know that you love your Tenere.
Why aren't you out riding it instead of posting to this forum :P
Doug
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I was... just got back!
Brick
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I'd eat up those tiers in no time flat.
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This is the work of an artist who imagines bikes before they are officially revealed and A&G publish his work. Looks great, though. If it is similar, I'd be interested.
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Saw this on a facebook post...This looks to be a serious off road oriented adventurer...287 pounds dry.
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/ccm-gp450-adventure-us-distribution-confirmed/
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Saw this on a facebook post...This looks to be a serious off road oriented adventurer...287 pounds dry.
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/ccm-gp450-adventure-us-distribution-confirmed/
While I understand the reason for an aluminium trelis frame / engine as stressed member design to reduce weight IMO that approach makes these bikes less than "serious" off-road machines. I know this approach is all the rage these days and is expected as state-of-the-art but many years of banging around in the boonies has convinced me that to be practical there needs to be a sturdy frame, not just a piece of sheet metal under the engine.
For me the ideal dual sport bike would weigh around 300 lbs, produce around 50 hp and have a 6 or 7 speed wide ratio gearbox. It should carry enough fuel for 200 miles and should have a seat that doesn't climb up your a$$ after two hours. It should be mechanically durable and survive slow speed drops and slides without expensive damage. Add Japanese durability and low maintenance cost and it would be perfect for me. It would NOT have to be capable of winning the Dakar or super cross. Most riders I know (and especially me) will NEVER come anywhere close to using all the capability of their machines and while I applaud the KTMs (and Yamahas) of the world for pushing the envelope I have no need functionally or emotionally to own the leading edge of competition technology. I just want a reasonably lightweight, fun and durable machine that gets me from here to there with the least amount of drama. But, it would appear, I am not the target audience these days.
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While I understand the reason for an aluminium trelis frame / engine as stressed member design to reduce weight IMO that approach makes these bikes less than "serious" off-road machines. I know this approach is all the rage these days and is expected as state-of-the-art but many years of banging around in the boonies has convinced me that to be practical there needs to be a sturdy frame, not just a piece of sheet metal under the engine.
For me the ideal dual sport bike would weigh around 300 lbs, produce around 50 hp and have a 6 or 7 speed wide ratio gearbox. It should carry enough fuel for 200 miles and should have a seat that doesn't climb up your a$$ after two hours. It should be mechanically durable and survive slow speed drops and slides without expensive damage. Add Japanese durability and low maintenance cost and it would be perfect for me. It would NOT have to be capable of winning the Dakar or super cross. Most riders I know (and especially me) will NEVER come anywhere close to using all the capability of their machines and while I applaud the KTMs (and Yamahas) of the world for pushing the envelope I have no need functionally or emotionally to own the leading edge of competition technology. I just want a reasonably lightweight, fun and durable machine that gets me from here to there with the least amount of drama. But, it would appear, I am not the target audience these days.
I think it all comes down to your personal definition of "performance". You define it as something reliable, light, good range, and fun. I'd include outstanding fuel economy. I don't need a high rpm hit of horsepower or tire shredding torque.