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Just For Fun Ride Reports / Re: Jimbo's ride
« Last post by doug mcpeek on Today at 10:16:52 PM »
A. In May

B. In June



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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by fartymarty on Today at 08:27:06 PM »
I don't need my phone, GPS, music, the other guy, the radio, etc. all cackling in my head while I'm trying to relax and destress by riding.

Well you know, different strokes for.....

Yeah, when I go out for a quick 2 hour distress ride I don't even turn my 20S on. However longer routes may need some musical or even Books on Tape (mp3) enhancement to get me to the motel 2 states away with out brain numbness.  Is the 20s perfect?..no...you get more than 2 bikes on the intercom and it sounds like someone is popping bubble wrap. With a long row of bikes if one gets out of position by more than one bike, then everyone that was behind that bike is cut off from the group until they go back intto position in the chain.One would think that the voice command thing would solve a lot of problems with all the buttons...but no. Sometimes when I try to stretch some neck muscles while riding I accidentally hit one of the buttons with my left shoulder and I get the young lady saying "Say a command" over and over. By the third repetition I'm yelling "CANCEL!" so loud that I think people in nearby cages can hear me. Finally it times out.  Thankfully I don't ride much in the cold, but when I do ride below 38 degrees the 20S will just decide to shutoff on it's own at random times. 

However, I still like it, and use it for most of my trips. It works great when just two bikes are involved and it's range really impresses me. Forget to charge it last night?.. no problem hook up the USB cord and ride with it powered and charging.  I also like the voice feedback of what is going on. My old Nolan helmet BT device had no voice just a Morse code of beeps and dings, half the time I couldn't even tell if it was on. It had fewer buttons but the long list of stuff it could do and the number of times you had to push this button and that one was totally unlearn-able. Battery life?... it might have lasted the day and might not have, but no power cord option, just had to wait and charge it up again when you got to tonight's destination, and no headphone jack or outside mic either. Yep the 20S isn't perfect, but it's a heck of lot better than my last unit, by far!
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by R1200GS on Today at 04:09:56 PM »
This is a reply to both Rich and Pat's last posts.  The negative stuff that has been coming up is primarily by folks who actually use all those buttons, dials, etc.  You don't have any problems with the 20s, maybe even the 30k, not sure, until you start getting into groups of 3+ and try to make the unit do what Sena says it will do..  I've had my 20s for a couple years and it was only about a week ago that I even tried to use it for group comms.  Norm has been doing group rides at MSTA events for a long time and expects the gear to work as advertised.  If you don't use a feature then you assume it works, but as we are finding out that ain't necessarily so. 
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Patmo on Today at 12:51:18 PM »
I really like my 20S...as much as I’ve figured out, that is.  I finally figured out how to get music to play by telling SIRI to play music.  I took a phone call while riding a few weeks back from Daryl, (not sure exactly how I did that, but the sound was great), and a few times I’ve been able to figure out how to get it to pair with others pretty easily....but only a few times.  They came in really handy when Norm, Larry, and I were traveling together a couple of years ago.  Thankfully Norm was there to talk me through it.  And I really like the Bluetooth element of it becsuse it means no wires running all over the place anymore (that I would always forget to unplug when I went to take my helmet off..DOH!).  My wife says I have no capacity to multi-task, so being able to do only a couple of things at the same time is probably better for me anyway.  Any more than that and I’m sure I would just get even more confused than my normal state.   Wait....was that motorcycle that just went by?  Now where were we? 

Some of us were just born into the wrong time period, I guess.  :(
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by RichGrab on Today at 10:14:14 AM »
 :(
It baffles my mind that people will buy a new gizmo on it's first run, and then complain to high heaven about it. This whole discussion thread makes me really glad that I didn't buy a Sena 20S (or any model) like I was going to, since it's clearly not something I need. I ride most of the time alone or with 1-3 other riders maybe 5 times a year. I'll just stick to my MP3 player connected with a wire to the speakers in my helmet, if and when I want music. When I need to make a call - I'll stop like I've always done before (since my first days of riding, when you had to find a pay phone.) I don't need my phone, GPS, music, the other guy, the radio, etc. all cackling in my head while I'm trying to relax and destress by riding. Some people seem to enjoy taking the fun out of life.
That's all I've got. Oh yeah, and thanks Richardrka for TRYING to please everyone.
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STAR 2018 / Re: STAR Pins
« Last post by RichGrab on Today at 10:03:36 AM »
Wonderful news. I look forward to picking up a couple when there.
 :clap: :trink39:
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The Garage / Re: What is your favorite farkle?
« Last post by Steve on Today at 09:07:04 AM »
My wife!
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Patmo on Today at 06:57:18 AM »
I’ve never had a noise issue when using my 20S.....I must be doing something wrong?   :)

My only complaint about any of these units is their complexity for non-technical people.  I HATE multi-switches!  I can never remember if I’m supposed to tap it 2 times, or push and hold 3 times, or tap once and push twice, or do the hokey pokey and turn myself around. 

I rather have a separate button to push to pair up, or to connect my phone, or to connect the GPS...or to just have it all do it automatically.

I’ll go back i to my hole now and let y’all battle it out.  When spring actually gets here can someone wake me up?
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by Richardrka on Yesterday at 11:07:54 PM »
I miss understood what you said sorry.

I started this thread and I am going to end it here.

Ride safe.
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General Discussion / Re: RKA Comment on Communications
« Last post by R1200GS on Yesterday at 09:22:52 PM »


Number one, RKA is making assumptions that are TOTALLY incorrect.  He implies I was the only one with the problem and it was something wrong with my gear.  WRONG ANSWER!!!When I got the noise I was in a totally BT setup paired EXACTLY by the 20S user's manual.  The GMRS was NOT paired or even turned on. On the day I first heard the noise NOT ONE of the other riders had a GMRS radio connected PERIOD.  I was the only one who used the GMRS radio with a BT connection, the others used an SR10 to make the GMRS connection.  I was not aware of the noise issue until the other guys all started talking about the "box of rocks" which they all were well aware of.  We all got the noise no matter how they were connected.  Let me make something PERFECTLY clear again, EVERY pairing connection was EXACTLY by the users manual.  Neither Jeff, Norm or myself are new guys to testing a system.  This is a common, WELL KNOWN issue among 20s users.  It's all over the web.  Sena has known about this issue since the early days of the 20s.  I have yet see ONE person state that they had the issue fixed.  Norm and Jeff were testing the 30K yesterday and the results were pretty much a failure in the Mesh mode.  Since there was only two of them I don't believe they were able to test the 30K in a daisy chain to simulate the 20s issue. 


My major gripe is that too many people say the 30K is the answer to the 20S noise issue.  The 30K needs to prove that in the field.

When you speak of getting more positive about the 30K, I would be absolutely positive if major features worked as advertised.  I would also be positive if I saw Sena actually fix the noise issue in a reasonable amount of time for the 20K.  The negative reviews that I have found on the 20s noise issue have a consistent theme of "try this or that" which did not work and after a while all responses stop.
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