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Title: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: doug mcpeek on October 16, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
It seems the 2018 Goldwing will have a front suspension similar to the BMW Duolever and will also have a DCT option.  Big question - how much will it weigh?  The Dairy Queen and yard sale crowd won't care.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads3/episode5_3_vis_l_011088648152.gif (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads3/episode5_3_vis_l_011088648152.gif)
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/new-2018-honda-gold-wing.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/new-2018-honda-gold-wing.html)

Other exciting newsis that Kawasaki will replace the already defunct Concours 14 with a supercharged sport touring bike.  Artist's conceptions look similar to an FJR, but Kawai hasn't shown it.  I've read speculation that it could put out 200 hp, or that it could be relatively small and light with a boost to put it in the liter bike power range.  Either way, the Concours 14 had trouble with Euro specs, and the blower will help with fuel efficiency.
https://www.cycleworld.com/kawasaki-has-supercharged-sport-tourer-set-to-debut (https://www.cycleworld.com/kawasaki-has-supercharged-sport-tourer-set-to-debut)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on October 17, 2017, 03:58:17 PM
Telll him about the blower...
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: DirtFlier on October 18, 2017, 06:59:06 AM
If you look up Hossock Suspension, you'll see many of the designs now coming into fruition. 

When did BMW do away with their single lever front suspension?
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on October 18, 2017, 01:53:11 PM
If you look up Hossock Suspension, you'll see many of the designs now coming into fruition. 

When did BMW do away with their single lever front suspension?
Well, let's not nit pick but......Yamaha is the only one I know with a "single lever". BMW had a "tele lever" front suspension that had telescopic fork tubes and a coil over shock arrangement.  just saying'  :^)   TM
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: DirtFlier on October 19, 2017, 04:37:47 AM
Oops...I picked the wrong term when I said single lever.

The single lever I referred to was the single control arm near the steering head onto which the shock is attached.   Prior to all the modern coil-over, front suspensions (such as McPherson strut) cars had two control arms on each side as you well remember.  :-)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on October 20, 2017, 01:56:59 AM
Oops...I picked the wrong term when I said single lever.

The single lever I referred to was the single control arm near the steering head onto which the shock is attached.   Prior to all the modern coil-over, front suspensions (such as McPherson strut) cars had two control arms on each side as you well remember.  :-)
And some still do.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: qman8 on October 20, 2017, 03:22:34 PM
"It seems the 2018 Goldwing will have a front suspension similar to the short-lived BMW Duolever"

BMW still uses the Duolever in their big K-bikes.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: doug mcpeek on October 22, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
Since they only make the K1600 now, I didn't realize that it still had the Duolever.  Some R bikes have the Telelever, some don't.

The GW still won't be anything I am interested in, because it will still weighs half-a-ton before I get on it.  since I don't ride 2-up I have no need for a bike so big.

The new retro Kawasaki Z900RS is a different story.  Will it have some power to go with the looks?  Will we see it in the US?
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on October 24, 2017, 10:14:37 AM
Ok, I took the bait. I googled the Z900RS.......WOW!!! That's a looker. I'm sure it has plenty (more than I can use) performance. What a cool bike. If you look at the many iterations included in the search, there some really cool concepts. We'll see which one we get.
I like some of the Honda CB1100 concepts which look better than what we got to choose from. The one I like the best they don't offer anymore, go figure.  Gee, I which they would ask me first.  :^)  TM
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: doug mcpeek on October 24, 2017, 11:36:51 PM
Tom, we need a custom bike builder.  That shouldn't cost much, right?  ;-)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Iguana Joe on November 05, 2017, 08:35:01 PM
The R1200 RT and R1200 GS BMW's still have the telelever, which also now has electronic suspension adjustments and such. I really like the telelever but it does take a little getting used to since the changes in steering geometry means that turn in when you are leaned over does not significantly alter when inputs are added to the system. Allowing braking into the corner, without fork dive altering camber and rake. I have not done the math, just my seat of the pants input from 8K plus miles on my first telelever bike in the last 6 months.

Iggy Joe
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: sirepair on November 07, 2017, 12:04:13 PM
Now BMW has thrown another flavor of the K1600 into the mix: Grand America.  Basically the K1600 B with a top box. So now there is the K1600 GT, GTL, GTLE, B and B GA.


Yamaha announced the Tracer 900 GT, which brings lots of nice goodies to the now-renamed FJ-09.  I have a 2015 FJ-09 and really like the upgrades they have brought with this: updated suspension w/remote preload rear shock, new windshield and refined body work and seat, quick-shift, and heated grips standard along with CRUISE CONTROL option.


I'm going to have to see if some of these items can be retrofitted to my '15!


Will Honda bring the CB1300, in a couple different styles?


Now Suzuki needs a turbo bagger 'Busa to keep things that much more interesting...
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Bermuda Ron on November 07, 2017, 12:11:05 PM
Wow . . . this Kawa looks like a serious piece of Moto Kit: https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2017/11/07/2018-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-first-look-15-fast-facts/ (https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2017/11/07/2018-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-first-look-15-fast-facts/)
Specs are on the 2nd page.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: doug mcpeek on November 07, 2017, 06:28:27 PM
Tracer GT, 790 Duke, F850GS...
 ;D
Title: Re: 2018 Winner!
Post by: doug mcpeek on November 11, 2017, 04:13:52 PM
I like the looks of this Z900RS Cafe'
111 hp/ 73 lb-ft and under 500 lbs.
https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2017/11/z900rs_cafe_-_statics_6.jpg?itok=6VI-Z5Wk (https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2017/11/z900rs_cafe_-_statics_6.jpg?itok=6VI-Z5Wk)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Brick on November 11, 2017, 04:21:41 PM
I like the looks of this Z900RS Cafe'
111 hp/ 73 lb-ft and under 500 lbs.
https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2017/11/z900rs_cafe_-_statics_6.jpg?itok=6VI-Z5Wk (https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2017/11/z900rs_cafe_-_statics_6.jpg?itok=6VI-Z5Wk)

That really does look good and it sounds like they didn’t totally neuter it. However I’m not a Kawasaki green fan... they really need to offer it in the Root beer color!



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Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on November 29, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
I like the looks of this Z900RS Cafe'
111 hp/ 73 lb-ft and under 500 lbs.
https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2017/11/z900rs_cafe_-_statics_6.jpg?itok=6VI-Z5Wk (https://www.cycleworld.com/sites/cycleworld.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2017/11/z900rs_cafe_-_statics_6.jpg?itok=6VI-Z5Wk)

ZOOM ZOOM
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Ride4MS on November 30, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
ZOOM ZOOM


Is that a Mazda ZOOM ZOOM??
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on November 30, 2017, 04:49:46 PM
ZOOM ZOOM


Is that a Mazda ZOOM ZOOM??
Pretty sure I was doing that as a toddler before Mazda adopted the motto.  Oh wait, maybe that was VROOM VROOM :)

Just my reaction when I looked at the bike, looked like it goes well.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: normkern on December 01, 2017, 08:37:53 AM
When I was little, it was UUUUUUUHH-DENNNNNNNNN- based on the sound you get when you rev up and back off an engine with open exhaust.

Norm Kern
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Ride4MS on December 01, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
I worked with Mazda MX-5 Cup for 8 years, so that is where I got the ZOOM ZOOM.  That was all they talked about, going back to the rotary days of Mazda.


But, talking about engine sounds,  has anyone heard of this sound,  "WHOOMAH"?


It came about by a few guys in a garage in Omaha, NE, about 25 years ago.  They were working on their American Sedan Mustang for SCCA Racing, with an open exhaust.  The story goes that these guys were over lubricated, and when they blipped the throttle, they heard the sound of WHOOMAH.  This started a WHOOMAH Club and they handed out stickers also, that said, you guessed it,  WHOOMAH.  They even sold T-Shirts, on the website.


I crewed on an AS Mustang in those days and had many stickers and a T-Shirt.


Now if someone comes out with that sound on a touring bike, I may have to buy it.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on December 01, 2017, 12:30:22 PM
As a recipient of ridicule, teasing, jokes, friendly harassment and more of my quite as a mouse GL1800 Goldwing when I had one, I had rebuttal. Usually it was the loud pipe saves lives co-workers of mine that would ask if it was running etc.  I just told them they couldn't catch me with their tractors if they had to and I would just WHOOOOSSSHH!!! them into the weeds as I passed them.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on December 01, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
As a recipient of ridicule, teasing, jokes, friendly harassment and more of my quite as a mouse GL1800 Goldwing when I had one, I had rebuttal. Usually it was the loud pipe saves lives co-workers of mine that would ask if it was running etc.  I just told them they couldn't catch me with their tractors if they had to and I would just WHOOOOSSSHH!!! them into the weeds as I passed them.
You were a lot faster back then ;)

Coming off a 98 VFR (still have it) with an aftermarket pipe getting on a Triumph Sprint ST (stock pipe0 the engine sound (or lack there of) was strange. Sounded a bit like a turbine when I got it up in the revs.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: bcd on December 01, 2017, 07:33:22 PM
As a recipient of ridicule, teasing, jokes, friendly harassment and more of my quite as a mouse GL1800 Goldwing when I had one, I had rebuttal. Usually it was the loud pipe saves lives co-workers of mine that would ask if it was running etc.  I just told them they couldn't catch me with their tractors if they had to and I would just WHOOOOSSSHH!!! them into the weeds as I passed them.
Knew a guy a while back with a GL1500 with a cutout. When he opened it up, it sounded like a race-ready 911.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: RichGrab on December 02, 2017, 12:25:18 PM
ZOOM ZOOM


Is that a Mazda ZOOM ZOOM??
Pretty sure I was doing that as a toddler before Mazda adopted the motto.  Oh wait, maybe that was VROOM VROOM :)

Just my reaction when I looked at the bike, looked like it goes well.
Yes, but who remembers the old Mazda commercials.
Piston engine goes (whatever they said)
But a Mazda goes hmmmmmm. (like humming)

Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHzeGEHWMjo
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on December 02, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
ZOOM ZOOM


Is that a Mazda ZOOM ZOOM??
Pretty sure I was doing that as a toddler before Mazda adopted the motto.  Oh wait, maybe that was VROOM VROOM :)

Just my reaction when I looked at the bike, looked like it goes well.
Yes, but who remembers the old Mazda commercials.
Piston engine goes (whatever they said)
But a Mazda goes hmmmmmm. (like humming)

I do, they go boing-boing-biong, Mazda engines go hmmmmmmmm!!  Footnote, they only have one rotary engine left and still gets poor milage and wears rotor seals. Neat concept though. Many RX7 & 8's now sport small block V8's or V6's.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: RichGrab on December 02, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
I was wondering if they still had any rotary engine vehicles. I know there were lots of problems with them and the seals. But wondering is as far as I got. Thanks for the info Tom.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Ride4MS on December 02, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
The last rotary for Mazda was a few years ago in the RX-8.  But, I have heard that it may come back again.
They had pretty much an unlimited rpm.  I know a friend that put a stock Mazda truck rotary in a autocross car, the truck in those days was bigger, he added a larger 4 barrel carb and disconnected the rev limiter.  It would run over 10,000 rpm.  Now keep in mind, the crank was at 10,000, but the tripod unit, which is the piston in a normal engine, only runs at 1/3 of the speed, and creates 3 sparks per crank revolution.



For those of us in the snow country, that know what a snowmobile is, Arctic Cat had a Wankle rotary in the late 60's-early 70's.  It was discontinued for excessive fuel consumption, even with a very small carb.  But, if you put on a carb the same as some similar size engines, you had a lot of power, if you could make it to the gas station in time.  The bad part was in those days, there was no oil injection either.  So, if you ran low on gas, you pulled into a gas station, added gas, then took out your can of oil, and added as needed for the correct ratio, to the tank.  When done, lift the back of the sled and shake it to mix the oil/gas.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on December 03, 2017, 08:58:03 AM
During the '90's when IMSA (prototype sports cars) was prosperous Mazda had a 4 rotor wankle in their car. It was nothing short of amazing, exhaust note sounding like a jet's thrust, for lack of a better description. The '90's were also the best of times for AMA super bike racing too. TM
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Paco Bulto on December 04, 2017, 08:22:52 PM
Here are my 2 previously owned Mazda RX7's with rotary engines. Lots of fun, as the engines had a sporty character, liked to rev like a 2 stroke.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: DirtFlier on December 04, 2017, 09:00:03 PM
Mazda won Le Mans in 1991 with their prototype endurance racer.  Here is a U-tube video so you can hear the fearsome wail of the engine.  To this date, it's still the only Japanese car that has won Le Mans.  Toyota came close last year but they ran into problems in the closing hours.  :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az39eqLIbyU
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: HawkGTRider on December 05, 2017, 09:02:08 AM
Fearsome wail...I like that. Shriek is another term that comes to my mind.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on December 05, 2017, 11:01:51 AM
Mazda won Le Mans in 1991 with their prototype endurance racer.  Here is a U-tube video so you can hear the fearsome wail of the engine.  To this date, it's still the only Japanese car that has won Le Mans.  Toyota came close last year but they ran into problems in the closing hours.  :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az39eqLIbyU
More like closing minutes. That was a heartbreaker for them.  The Mazda didn't sound like that when I was standing track side ay Mid-Ohio but that was really something. Real clutch and shifter too.  TM
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Ride4MS on December 05, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Thanks for the link on the Mazda at Le Mans with the vintage car.  Great sound, or shriek noise.  I have never been close to the 4 rotor and heard them, but I have been on the grid with the 2 rotor RX-7 that was not stock and exhaust out the right side, trying to get our driver ready about 4 feet to his right.  That was loud.


This time of year it is fun to hear any loud race motor sounds.


Check out this link for the American Sedan Mustang of Andy McDermid a friend of ours from Michigan.  When Andy wins, which is most of the time, he loves to do burnouts in memory of a good friend of ours, Harvey West, who had the AS Mustang that I crewed on for many years.  There are several more of Andy doing burnouts on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-aBHR0qM6k


Crank it UP
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on December 06, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
Thanks for the link on the Mazda at Le Mans with the vintage car.  Great sound, or shriek noise.  I have never been close to the 4 rotor and heard them, but I have been on the grid with the 2 rotor RX-7 that was not stock and exhaust out the right side, trying to get our driver ready about 4 feet to his right.  That was loud.


This time of year it is fun to hear any loud race motor sounds.


Check out this link for the American Sedan Mustang of Andy McDermid a friend of ours from Michigan.  When Andy wins, which is most of the time, he loves to do burnouts in memory of a good friend of ours, Harvey West, who had the AS Mustang that I crewed on for many years.  There are several more of Andy doing burnouts on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-aBHR0qM6k


Crank it UP
PMS kicking in already in MN?  I almost went for a ride last weekend but worked on my outside decorations instead. It wasn't even 50 but was sunny and warmer than it will be for a long time, possibly until Spring.

Agree listening to motor sounds, watching some form of racing or playing racing video games are a help in getting through the long winter. Somewhere I have a CD of "bike sounds" that I believe one of the Brit magazines put out. It includes a VFR, not the Gen5 like I have but a newer one, still sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Ride4MS on December 06, 2017, 01:07:35 PM
The neighbor got a new beer cooler a few nights ago.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: HawkGTRider on December 06, 2017, 11:29:51 PM
And if the neighbor got one, I suppose you did as well, eh?
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: DirtFlier on December 07, 2017, 06:57:51 AM
[...I almost went for a ride last weekend but worked on my outside decorations instead. It wasn't even 50 but was sunny and warmer than it will be for a long time, possibly until Spring...]

I went for a ride with pals on Monday because it appeared to be the last tolerable day.  The high temp was close to 60 but since then, winter-like weather has arrived and next week they are predicted daytime highs only in the mid-20s. 

Steve - you should have gone for a ride!   ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: RIDEMYST on December 07, 2017, 07:52:44 AM
It was 75 degrees and sunny here yesterday and I rode a couple hundred miles.....if that helps any guys? -JEP-


But I did have to stop twice to reapply sunscreen. :(


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Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: RichGrab on December 07, 2017, 01:38:43 PM
It was 75 degrees and sunny here yesterday and I rode a couple hundred miles.....if that helps any guys? -JEP-


But I did have to stop twice to reapply sunscreen. :(


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Thanks for the reminder Jim. We'll be sure and rub it in during the August swamp weather in Florida.  :trink39:
And why do you have to reapply sunscreen? You're riding ATGATT aren't you??? 8)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: Ride4MS on December 07, 2017, 02:04:59 PM
That's what I was thinking.  He should be riding ATGATT.  Not only is it safer, you don't need sunscreen, and with a good jacket it is cooler.


Hey, I got an idea, donate the money you saved by riding without the gear to the Dan Clark Safety Program.
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: STLTHMSTA on December 08, 2017, 11:16:42 AM
It was 75 degrees and sunny here yesterday and I rode a couple hundred miles.....if that helps any guys? -JEP-


But I did have to stop twice to reapply sunscreen. :(


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SHUT UP Jim!!!  :^) of course
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: HawkGTRider on December 08, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
It was 75 degrees and sunny here yesterday and I rode a couple hundred miles.....if that helps any guys? -JEP-


But I did have to stop twice to reapply sunscreen. :(


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Thanks for the reminder Jim. We'll be sure and rub it in during the August swamp weather in Florida.  :trink39:
And why do you have to reapply sunscreen? You're riding ATGATT aren't you??? 8)

Who're you kidding? Jim doesn't stay in Florida in August. Why do you think he always takes off for a long ride after STAR in some direction OTHER than back home?
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: RIDEMYST on December 08, 2017, 03:13:23 PM
It was 75 degrees and sunny here yesterday and I rode a couple hundred miles.....if that helps any guys? -JEP-


But I did have to stop twice to reapply sunscreen. :(


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Thanks for the reminder Jim. We'll be sure and rub it in during the August swamp weather in Florida.  :trink39:
And why do you have to reapply sunscreen? You're riding ATGATT aren't you??? 8)

Who're you kidding? Jim doesn't stay in Florida in August. Why do you think he always takes off for a long ride after STAR in some direction OTHER than back home?
LOL ........but true. :)


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Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on December 12, 2017, 06:11:45 PM
[...I almost went for a ride last weekend but worked on my outside decorations instead. It wasn't even 50 but was sunny and warmer than it will be for a long time, possibly until Spring...]

I went for a ride with pals on Monday because it appeared to be the last tolerable day.  The high temp was close to 60 but since then, winter-like weather has arrived and next week they are predicted daytime highs only in the mid-20s. 

Steve - you should have gone for a ride!   ;)
Trust me that's usually the decision I'd make. But as the body gets older the desire to spend time in the cold goes down, doing decorations in blizzards was the norm, first at my parents then my own home. Riding in cold temps was also common when I was in my ridining infancy. When the cold weather hit this weekend, I was glad I had my outside decorations done already and was not going to need to spend hours outside.

If I were retired, I'd have a lot more time, and options ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Touring Bikes
Post by: stevegrab on December 12, 2017, 06:14:22 PM
It was 75 degrees and sunny here yesterday and I rode a couple hundred miles.....if that helps any guys? -JEP-


But I did have to stop twice to reapply sunscreen. :(


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5 turns in 200 miles, must have been a blast ;)